I love your ponderings. Someone needed to be creative to invent such computers and put all those little parts together. There are a lot of similarities between synchronicities and algorithm so that sometimes I wonder, which is which. 😅 I love your Authentic Imperfection! Yes our imperfections make us unique and with this we can't become a copy! Embracing our imperfections is a big part of living authentically. We can't have "the" answer. I agree. Sometimes our patterns and beliefs feel like an algorithm, they easily produce the same outcomes. 😅
Such a brilliant elaboration that you did here. It reminded me a lot about a post that I wrote:
Wow, thank you Sadhbh! I appreciate your thoughts here! So are you saying that the universe has an algorithm too? Our mind is creating one from our past as well? Great questions! I’ll dive back into your article. Thanks for sharing it here. Bless you 🙏❤️
So true Sadhbh - our patterns and beliefs are an algorithm. And if we stay on auto pilot and unconscious then we will be guided by those often destructive and limiting beliefs throughout our lives. At least we have the gift of consciousness, and can change our own algorithms to more empowering ones. Does AI care about our wellbeing in it's use of algorithms. Probably not, because as Jamie asks "can they feel?" 🌸
As above so below! I resonate with that so much! Thank you so much Jacqueline for reading and for seeing the celestial transcendence in the deeper meaning of the imperfection of spirituality. Authentically creatively the only way home. Bless you. 🙏❤️
I've been thinking about how artificial intelligence mirrors our psychological/subconscious desires. I believe that the seeds of our own destruction, as well as the seeds of creativity, are encoded in our DNA. We may not want to believe that we are one of the species that has abandoned our kind, but when compared to macaque monkeys, for example, they are less likely to kill unrelated kin and far more compassionate than Homo sapiens.
Until recently, I thought that our humanity made us unique. However, after watching the "Cosmos" series, I realized how young we are on Earth and how we may consider ourselves superior. In reality, other animals and insects frequently make better decisions, use more effective growth strategies, and form better societies. This realization prompted me to consider whether our emotions have driven us to destructive behavior in our interactions with nature and the development of artificial intelligence.
Reflecting on this, I've realized that we can be both extremely creative and profoundly destructive. While emotions drive much of our innovation, they can also lead to conflict and environmental degradation. Depending on how we develop and apply it, we could view AI as both a manifestation of our highest ambitions and a potential catalyst for our collapse in this context.
Finally, this has made me think about what it means to be human and how we can learn from other species to foster a more compassionate and sustainable relationship with our environment. It is a call to acknowledge our flaws and make something out of our creative potential.
Returning to a slower pace of life and study, as you so beautifully point out at the beginning of the post, resonates deeply with me. I resonate with the idea of taking my time to read, listen, sit, and choose my own path, to travel without knowing the most effective and productive route, and to get lost and wonder. I like this about us: I like to read poetry, I like to cook, I trust people instead of being skeptical, and I like to connect rather than disconnect. I think those are the things that make me feel human, and I hope those traits will last and matter collectively in order to mirror a better future.
Thank you, Jamie, for this lovely post and poetry; it made me feel alive, a feeling that is likely unique to each of us, our own feelings. Nothing can take that away from us.
"To be human is to ask the unanswerable questions.
Thanks! I love how you connect the dots here between science, solitude, spirit, stillness and soul. The spaces between the metaphors and the words may tap into that deeper DNA. There’s a memory in our bones that we can’t quite find the words to describe. Maybe in that authentic feeling we are beyond the limitations of any code. I live in to that question. Bless you Katerina! Your questions are a gift 🙏❤️. Thank you for sharing.
🙏❤️I often wonder if we limit ourselves to what we think we know, and I try to feel more than intellectualize, hoping that allowing my body to tell me about other unseen truths and perceptions, and as you've said, maybe we are beyond the limitation of any code, I like this version better, I can feel it in my bones:) Meanwhile, my mind struggles to find words to describe. Thank you for your wonder and curiosity!
Thanks so much for reading and reaching out! We definitely live into the answer! I’m definitely trying to ask better questions with those inputs on the journey to becoming. I appreciate your support. 🙏❤️
"To have the answer is to have misunderstood the question." ~ what a great quote!!
And your reinterpretation of AI is priceless, Jamie!
'Artificial intelligence' is a complete misinterpretation and misappropriation of the very concept of natural intelligence. It is in fact not intelligent at all, but rather stupid... machines being only able to regurgitate and spill out whatever they've been fed... in impressive quantities and at dazzling speed, for sure, but at the cost of authentic intelligence which retains its delightful imperfections.
Thank you so much Veronika! Isn’t that a great quote by Ernest Kurtz! I definitely wasn’t going to go deep on intelligence or consciousness, until I read a bit deeper in the Symbiocene! Now those are two words I’d like to dance with you on. Authentic intelligence and all the imperfections in between the spaces between the words. Blessing you a wonderful summer in your garden which is growing some new writing for the fall! 🙏❤️
indeed! As you can imagine, it irks me every time I see AI mentioned in the conventional sense... so far I haven't considered it worthy of 'wasting my time and authentic intelligence'... although I am of course pondering the words intelligence, Intellect etc...
What is authentic intelligence? That's an important and worthwhile question to live and dance with.
Thank you for holding this space for me! I can see new chapters already sprouting, flourishing, and maturing 🌱 🌻 🌳 🌷
Yep life "raw and unfiltered" is painful and messy and beautiful as I well know hence that being my Substack name. 😜.
I doubt AI can feel all of this vastness of human experience. And as it is fed by human input then it will probably choose to focus on easy dopamine hits as opposed to the natural highs and lows which create our true creative spirit and imperfect authenticity.
And yet, I have no answers as I guess then I would have misunderstood the question!
A shout out to you! Raw and unfiltered! I friggin love that handle and no copyright on titles lol! That silicon speed feeds the dopamine indeed. Yet we still bleed. No answers. Only questions the seed. Bless you Jo. Raw and unfiltered we go. 🙏❤️
Words are used and re used through out history. No one owns them. Words are gifts.
I had so many ideas for my Substack name but Raw and Unfiltered was one that I had been using for a couple of years in other things I do. It feels so true of life and the way I write. It actually came to me from the label of the bottle of organic apple cider vinegar, raw and unfiltered, which I start my day with. A tablespoon in a cup of warm water awakens and invigorates my insides before I sit down to write - with a coffee! xx
Bragg’s Apple Cider raw and unfiltered - in my cupboard now! A Canadian term for guts and grit as well! Words create images indeed. Gifts indeed. Keep being you! Thank you! Keep writing we need you! 🙏❤️
Great vignette on AI and how we can relate to it as humans. Old-time research indeed took many hours in a library. I once had to book an appointment with the Bodleian library at Oxford University days in advance, arriving to the books laid out before-hand on a reading table - available for a week or two, before being disappeared back into the tunnels underneath. And my 1970s engineering degree, in relation to computers, reached the dizzy heights of learning 'Algol-W' and punching a stack of cards to do a calculation (hoping you'd got them in the right order and also that the machine would not make a mess-up feeding them in to be read.
Anyway, contrasting slow-humans with fast-machines is a great way of looking at AI. So many things can be missed when you are 'too fast' to pay attention to what else is going on around you. But the nub, I think, as you say is the bit about the value of questions versus the value of 'answers'. (Two great quotes as well). The AI ideal is everyone in hermetically-sealed appartments where no 'bugs' can get in - completely missing the point about what is life, and how it works.
Josh, you have a way with words! You more than anyone can appreciate this computer journey. Thanks for always seeing the bigger picture. It’s always hermeneutics as opposed to hermetics. A soul Journey indeed. Hope that garden is harvesting lots of love. Bless you and thank you for your support here. 🙏❤️
Garden is harvesting apples and plums right now. The grapes got wiped out by a freak hailstorm recently. About to go to our other quinta and dig up some strawberry plants to cultivate here.
Ain't experience a strange substance and yet love remain our home? I guess we were built from different material always with meaning in mind? This is a brave effort on your part. I find it difficult to find a poetic response to the increasing resemblance of our minds to the mind of the machine.
Thanks for 'likes'. I am a touch 'gnomic' in my above comment, but am referring to the case made by Iain McGilchrist ('The Matter With Things') and a little differently by Jeremy Naydler. The case is that we 'moderns' are trained ubiquitously in the methods of the machine - the mechanised logic - at school, in work, the shop and at play, even in conversation, increasingly these latter days 'online'. I started my substack last year with reviews of two of Jeremy's books having had the good fortune of brief personal contact through a mutual friend. The 'natural world' and its inhabitants, as in poetry, music and other arts is something of an antidote. Thank you.
No answers of course! 😊 History comes and goes and civilisations for that matter, but according to the late David Graeber ('Debt') 'history has a shape'. Empires big and small are two a penny, but that is another story. Jeremy Naydler re-tells the old Persian tale of humanity forgetting who we are. The modern story has accelerated - I tried a quick sketch in my book review pieces last year, but these go out of date fast. At the mundane level the increasing energy demands of the digital machine appear to pose a finite limit, but there are other horsemen out of the stable and in the running. I rather like the odd place we call home, past & future where we return with love, if we are not bombed-out.
Not my analogy ... Nate Hagens version has been picked up by a guy called Schmachtenberger and they look for the pro-social answers, which takes them into the same territory we touch on this morning. Not sure about 'the first time' ... there is a helpful ancestry, a thread for each of us we knew somewhere.
GREAT Jamie! Authentic intelligence is where it will ALWAYS be at! Reminded me of my mum's elderly friend saying "I don't want anything "SMART. I want stupid if it means it's not going to control me!" < upon buying a new t.v. >
Thank you for sharing your gift of poetry, Jamie. I am immediately a fan.
I share your thoughts on AI, as well. When they learn how to program feelings into themselves, we'll need Conscious Awareness to tell us who's real and who's the imposter.
As above, so below!
I love your ponderings. Someone needed to be creative to invent such computers and put all those little parts together. There are a lot of similarities between synchronicities and algorithm so that sometimes I wonder, which is which. 😅 I love your Authentic Imperfection! Yes our imperfections make us unique and with this we can't become a copy! Embracing our imperfections is a big part of living authentically. We can't have "the" answer. I agree. Sometimes our patterns and beliefs feel like an algorithm, they easily produce the same outcomes. 😅
Such a brilliant elaboration that you did here. It reminded me a lot about a post that I wrote:
https://open.substack.com/pub/sadhbhadamea/p/the-algorhythm-of-love?r=2773ii&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
I agree, our messy humanness can never be replaced by machines. And this is what makes life so beautiful! Lots of Love to you!
Wow, thank you Sadhbh! I appreciate your thoughts here! So are you saying that the universe has an algorithm too? Our mind is creating one from our past as well? Great questions! I’ll dive back into your article. Thanks for sharing it here. Bless you 🙏❤️
So true Sadhbh - our patterns and beliefs are an algorithm. And if we stay on auto pilot and unconscious then we will be guided by those often destructive and limiting beliefs throughout our lives. At least we have the gift of consciousness, and can change our own algorithms to more empowering ones. Does AI care about our wellbeing in it's use of algorithms. Probably not, because as Jamie asks "can they feel?" 🌸
Quote: 'There are a lot of similarities between synchronicities and algorithm'
That sounds very interesting.
I know. Where the focus goes the energy flows so I guess algorithms may have been programmed according to this model?
I agree with Sadhbh. Your ponderings are nutritious, Jamie!
And I love the new AI definition!! 💖✨🙏
As above so below! I resonate with that so much! Thank you so much Jacqueline for reading and for seeing the celestial transcendence in the deeper meaning of the imperfection of spirituality. Authentically creatively the only way home. Bless you. 🙏❤️
I've been thinking about how artificial intelligence mirrors our psychological/subconscious desires. I believe that the seeds of our own destruction, as well as the seeds of creativity, are encoded in our DNA. We may not want to believe that we are one of the species that has abandoned our kind, but when compared to macaque monkeys, for example, they are less likely to kill unrelated kin and far more compassionate than Homo sapiens.
Until recently, I thought that our humanity made us unique. However, after watching the "Cosmos" series, I realized how young we are on Earth and how we may consider ourselves superior. In reality, other animals and insects frequently make better decisions, use more effective growth strategies, and form better societies. This realization prompted me to consider whether our emotions have driven us to destructive behavior in our interactions with nature and the development of artificial intelligence.
Reflecting on this, I've realized that we can be both extremely creative and profoundly destructive. While emotions drive much of our innovation, they can also lead to conflict and environmental degradation. Depending on how we develop and apply it, we could view AI as both a manifestation of our highest ambitions and a potential catalyst for our collapse in this context.
Finally, this has made me think about what it means to be human and how we can learn from other species to foster a more compassionate and sustainable relationship with our environment. It is a call to acknowledge our flaws and make something out of our creative potential.
Returning to a slower pace of life and study, as you so beautifully point out at the beginning of the post, resonates deeply with me. I resonate with the idea of taking my time to read, listen, sit, and choose my own path, to travel without knowing the most effective and productive route, and to get lost and wonder. I like this about us: I like to read poetry, I like to cook, I trust people instead of being skeptical, and I like to connect rather than disconnect. I think those are the things that make me feel human, and I hope those traits will last and matter collectively in order to mirror a better future.
Thank you, Jamie, for this lovely post and poetry; it made me feel alive, a feeling that is likely unique to each of us, our own feelings. Nothing can take that away from us.
"To be human is to ask the unanswerable questions.
Our spiritual journey persists in asking them."💖
Thanks! I love how you connect the dots here between science, solitude, spirit, stillness and soul. The spaces between the metaphors and the words may tap into that deeper DNA. There’s a memory in our bones that we can’t quite find the words to describe. Maybe in that authentic feeling we are beyond the limitations of any code. I live in to that question. Bless you Katerina! Your questions are a gift 🙏❤️. Thank you for sharing.
🙏❤️I often wonder if we limit ourselves to what we think we know, and I try to feel more than intellectualize, hoping that allowing my body to tell me about other unseen truths and perceptions, and as you've said, maybe we are beyond the limitation of any code, I like this version better, I can feel it in my bones:) Meanwhile, my mind struggles to find words to describe. Thank you for your wonder and curiosity!
Cuoreosity 🙏❤️
Answers always reflect the quality of the questions, at least as I see it. :) Similar to how AI is a reflection of the input provided.
I love your phrase “Living the questions” … it means Life is the answer 🩵
Thanks so much for reading and reaching out! We definitely live into the answer! I’m definitely trying to ask better questions with those inputs on the journey to becoming. I appreciate your support. 🙏❤️
"Is there an algorithm for awe?"
I love it!
"To have the answer is to have misunderstood the question." ~ what a great quote!!
And your reinterpretation of AI is priceless, Jamie!
'Artificial intelligence' is a complete misinterpretation and misappropriation of the very concept of natural intelligence. It is in fact not intelligent at all, but rather stupid... machines being only able to regurgitate and spill out whatever they've been fed... in impressive quantities and at dazzling speed, for sure, but at the cost of authentic intelligence which retains its delightful imperfections.
Agree. Would add that my sense is that even for AI there is a natural divergence point opportunity - a “Pinocchio Moment,” if you will.
Thank you so much Veronika! Isn’t that a great quote by Ernest Kurtz! I definitely wasn’t going to go deep on intelligence or consciousness, until I read a bit deeper in the Symbiocene! Now those are two words I’d like to dance with you on. Authentic intelligence and all the imperfections in between the spaces between the words. Blessing you a wonderful summer in your garden which is growing some new writing for the fall! 🙏❤️
indeed! As you can imagine, it irks me every time I see AI mentioned in the conventional sense... so far I haven't considered it worthy of 'wasting my time and authentic intelligence'... although I am of course pondering the words intelligence, Intellect etc...
What is authentic intelligence? That's an important and worthwhile question to live and dance with.
Thank you for holding this space for me! I can see new chapters already sprouting, flourishing, and maturing 🌱 🌻 🌳 🌷
Thanks for helping me rebrand AI! Keep planting those word seeds! We need you 🙏❤️
Since AI doesn’t have emotion, it can’t feel AWE but probably can describe it from our inputs.
Maybe there are no words….thanks for reading 🙏❤️
😉
without the ability to feel, they will be empty words.
Swallowing space like a straight jacket
😲. I love that, how very perfect. This was a wonderful read. Thank you, Jamie.
Thanks so much Jenn! 🙏❤️
You’re welcome!
Yep life "raw and unfiltered" is painful and messy and beautiful as I well know hence that being my Substack name. 😜.
I doubt AI can feel all of this vastness of human experience. And as it is fed by human input then it will probably choose to focus on easy dopamine hits as opposed to the natural highs and lows which create our true creative spirit and imperfect authenticity.
And yet, I have no answers as I guess then I would have misunderstood the question!
Thanks Jamie. 🙏
A shout out to you! Raw and unfiltered! I friggin love that handle and no copyright on titles lol! That silicon speed feeds the dopamine indeed. Yet we still bleed. No answers. Only questions the seed. Bless you Jo. Raw and unfiltered we go. 🙏❤️
Words are used and re used through out history. No one owns them. Words are gifts.
I had so many ideas for my Substack name but Raw and Unfiltered was one that I had been using for a couple of years in other things I do. It feels so true of life and the way I write. It actually came to me from the label of the bottle of organic apple cider vinegar, raw and unfiltered, which I start my day with. A tablespoon in a cup of warm water awakens and invigorates my insides before I sit down to write - with a coffee! xx
Bragg’s Apple Cider raw and unfiltered - in my cupboard now! A Canadian term for guts and grit as well! Words create images indeed. Gifts indeed. Keep being you! Thank you! Keep writing we need you! 🙏❤️
😃🍎 xx
Great vignette on AI and how we can relate to it as humans. Old-time research indeed took many hours in a library. I once had to book an appointment with the Bodleian library at Oxford University days in advance, arriving to the books laid out before-hand on a reading table - available for a week or two, before being disappeared back into the tunnels underneath. And my 1970s engineering degree, in relation to computers, reached the dizzy heights of learning 'Algol-W' and punching a stack of cards to do a calculation (hoping you'd got them in the right order and also that the machine would not make a mess-up feeding them in to be read.
Anyway, contrasting slow-humans with fast-machines is a great way of looking at AI. So many things can be missed when you are 'too fast' to pay attention to what else is going on around you. But the nub, I think, as you say is the bit about the value of questions versus the value of 'answers'. (Two great quotes as well). The AI ideal is everyone in hermetically-sealed appartments where no 'bugs' can get in - completely missing the point about what is life, and how it works.
Josh, you have a way with words! You more than anyone can appreciate this computer journey. Thanks for always seeing the bigger picture. It’s always hermeneutics as opposed to hermetics. A soul Journey indeed. Hope that garden is harvesting lots of love. Bless you and thank you for your support here. 🙏❤️
Garden is harvesting apples and plums right now. The grapes got wiped out by a freak hailstorm recently. About to go to our other quinta and dig up some strawberry plants to cultivate here.
That sounds like one hell of a good port! 🍷 ❤️
Ain't experience a strange substance and yet love remain our home? I guess we were built from different material always with meaning in mind? This is a brave effort on your part. I find it difficult to find a poetic response to the increasing resemblance of our minds to the mind of the machine.
Thanks for 'likes'. I am a touch 'gnomic' in my above comment, but am referring to the case made by Iain McGilchrist ('The Matter With Things') and a little differently by Jeremy Naydler. The case is that we 'moderns' are trained ubiquitously in the methods of the machine - the mechanised logic - at school, in work, the shop and at play, even in conversation, increasingly these latter days 'online'. I started my substack last year with reviews of two of Jeremy's books having had the good fortune of brief personal contact through a mutual friend. The 'natural world' and its inhabitants, as in poetry, music and other arts is something of an antidote. Thank you.
Oh Phillip I love this! That left brain versus the right. How and where does poetry break through? I’d love to hear more! Is it too late for us?
No answers of course! 😊 History comes and goes and civilisations for that matter, but according to the late David Graeber ('Debt') 'history has a shape'. Empires big and small are two a penny, but that is another story. Jeremy Naydler re-tells the old Persian tale of humanity forgetting who we are. The modern story has accelerated - I tried a quick sketch in my book review pieces last year, but these go out of date fast. At the mundane level the increasing energy demands of the digital machine appear to pose a finite limit, but there are other horsemen out of the stable and in the running. I rather like the odd place we call home, past & future where we return with love, if we are not bombed-out.
Oh, I like that stable analogy! Returning home to love and knowing it for the first time. 🙏❤️
Not my analogy ... Nate Hagens version has been picked up by a guy called Schmachtenberger and they look for the pro-social answers, which takes them into the same territory we touch on this morning. Not sure about 'the first time' ... there is a helpful ancestry, a thread for each of us we knew somewhere.
Love that! Resonates with me!
Poetry goes where words alone can’t
GREAT Jamie! Authentic intelligence is where it will ALWAYS be at! Reminded me of my mum's elderly friend saying "I don't want anything "SMART. I want stupid if it means it's not going to control me!" < upon buying a new t.v. >
Thanks Deb 🙏❤️
Thank you for sharing your gift of poetry, Jamie. I am immediately a fan.
I share your thoughts on AI, as well. When they learn how to program feelings into themselves, we'll need Conscious Awareness to tell us who's real and who's the imposter.